Think I'll dig out my old codexes, gets all nostalgic (and remember how much money I spent on all this) and improve these articles! -- Sam
"the Nekrons, whose ships are clearly based on the Goa'uld ones from Stargate"
- Doesn't WH40K predate Stargate? Ausir 23:20, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Yes it does but the Necrons are a new invention, they didn't have them in 'my day'.
- Does anyone know when exactly were the Necrons introduced? Before or after SG1? I also think that the similarities to Goa'uld are because the Necrons are partly based on the Warhammer Fantasy Egyptian-themed undead of Khemri. Ausir 10:50, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Necrons aren't new, they have been a minor species with special edition models for many years, its only in the last 5 years or so they have became a semi-major species. They are not copied from Stargate at all, I'll agree with they both copy from Egyptians. If you want to accuse W40k from copying off stargate you may as well go change all the starcraft and warcraft articles to insults about how much they copied warhammer --Josquius 12:07, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Chaos Space Marines and The Lost and the Damned both were copied verbatim from games-workshop.com (since replaced by stubs). Maybe someone who knows about Warhammer could go through the related articles to see if there's more of these around? Rvollmert 08:36, 2004 Aug 20 (UTC)
Warhammer 40,000 and Starcraft
I removed the following text from the article:
- The popular computer game StarCraft was originally a Warhammer 40K game, but Games Workshop decided that they had taken too long and cancelled the contract, making blizzard change it.
I Googled and found nothing about that. Can anybody provide some evidence confirming or denying this? xDCDx 19:51, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- It was just largely inspired by (not to say ripped off) WH40K, just like WarCraft was inspired by Warhammer Fantasy. Ausir 00:38, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree with that, but saying Blizzard was going to make a Warhammer 40,000 game rather than StarCraft is a whole different matter. xDCDx 01:12, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Historical species, sideshow species, timeline, etc...
Where does the basis for all that come from? I have never heard anything about them (except the old ones/slann but that is just with fantasy I have heard of them). For the space rats in particular I'm certain there is no such thing, I went and made my own space skaven army many years ago and looked into the existance of space skaven a lot whilst I did this.
Also the timeline- why is there just a link to some geocities site? Is that site owned by the editor of the article by any chance?
This article has changed a lot since I looked in, maybe not for the better.
- The minor species come from the contents of the books of the black library and the codices. Please don't think you know all about 40k. If you haven't heard about the hrud please make a google search, they are part of the fluff. ~ Jonus
- As you might have seen there is a point in the todo list that says that a timeline for wikipedia has to be written. ~ Jonus
- What 'codices'? I don't think I know everything about it kid I would just like directions to where on Earth all that came from, I have read a lot of the fluff and none of that rings any sorts of bells.
My point about the timeline was why does it just link to a geocities site. Why isn't there a timeline on the page if there needs to be one.
--Josquius 21:00, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- 'cause you haven't written it yet. Be Bold! -- Metahacker 02:07, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
"Other" races
I'm thinking the stuff like Necrontyr and the stuff attached to various races, but not having their own actual army(outside of conversions) should probably not be mentioned alongside the "Army" races in the listings. Those merely connected to the major races can be given their links in that race's own article.
- I think that if anything should be changed is the headline Armies to something like factions. Remember that the paragraph of armies is written under the point of view of background. ~ Jonus
About eldar
Maybe the eldar should be the root of all links to the factions of eldar, because before the awakening of she who thirsts there was only one eldar faction.
- The assorted Eldar pages were basically a mess of empty stubs. I've gone through and compiled all the information into the main page of Eldar because there frankly isn't enough about the Exodites and Pirates to warrant a whole entry on them. I'm changing the link in this article to account for that. If anyone thinks there is enough material for the Exodites to have their own section, feel free to write it! -- HJC , 17th March 2005, 15:36 GMT
In warhammer 40000 they are Orks ...
and in WH Fantasy they are called Orcs. They should be written the right way and they shouldn't be merged into one page, because the two races are only similar on the surface.
- Agreed. They're actually "Space Orks" technically, are they not? Or has that terminology been abandoned? At any rate, the two are suspiciously similar, but the spelling difference, at least, should be maintained. Arrr, it's frustrating when comics and gaming companies change their minds and can't admit it.
- I disagree - they are similar enough that they should both stay at Orc (Warhammer) - the spelling difference is explained in the article. If it were to be separated, a lot of it would have to be duplicated. Ausir 02:03, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Dude, wtf
is it just me, or is this article just a really long substub? this needs major re-working. like, im about 2 secs away from deleteing the page and starting over. some1 with the codices needs to bust a move in here, rewrite all this. look at the D&D page. that is clear, crisp, to the point,And IMO is just as complex as WH40K. some1 needs to take initiative! BE BOLD! --Rey
- I agree that it needs work, but I think the overall structure is good: the article should provide a good overview of the game experience and the storyline, and then give more detail for various races, etc. on their own pages. If you've got time and energy to work on this, go right ahead. -leigh (φθόγγος) 05:18, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
- i would fix it, as i've got teh time, but i haven't teh codices required to. --Rey
- I disagree that it should be deleted. The comperison to D&D is a bad one. D&D is mainly a ruleset. If something should happen to the wh40k main page then it's a restructuring, but i don't know what exactly should be done.--Jonus 13:09, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- the comparison was to the order of the page. everything is laid out in a non-list, easy to read format, with clear descriptions and information. look, even teh moderators are telling us to merge pages and clear this up. i had to link to 3 pages before i got a foggy veiw of the praetors and the space marines. oh well, i suppose that a little reasearch should help me figure out to fix this. --Rey
- i suppose i should apologize for threatening to delete pages. . . sorry all --Rey
Ha, f00!§
personally, i feel happy 4 myself. in response to teh comments, i have gotten to work on this page by rediecting wh40k to this page. y4y! ill go have another soda now. !. . --Rey
Go Figure. . .
...I just bought the main Codex, about to bust a move and rewrite this page when i see that someone beat me to the punch. bravo. gj guys --Rey
Images
There are several images of miniatures in the some races pages (eldar, tau, necron, ...) that seem to look like gw stuff. I doubt it's a good idea to use them. As source a shop is given which is very onlikely to paint models. Bad idea. --Jonus 00:03, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Well I talked with the admin and he said the images are the property of GW. I then sent Customer Service an e-mail and he gave me the Intellectual Property policy that GW has. I read it over and I can't see a problem with the images but if you find one I'll take them down. If it is ok I just have to tag the images becuase i'm not sure which one to use -Derktar 19:08, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC). You can read the IP policy here.
People who fight background & fluff
The WH 40K is under constant attack of people who think that background information shouldn't be on wikipedia. This is something that I couldn't disaggree more. All this requests for deletion and stuff. What's the point?
If you don't want information on for example what a "eye of terror", a Nicassar or an Old One is, then please don't read that page. More and more information is lost, e.g. info on Black Library is gone. --Jonus 14:03, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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